Ubuntu to edubuntu

[Steve Torrefranca]

Hi, its me again.

since you made it clear that it will take time for edubuntu to be
released and i will be buying my little angel's laptop next month, will
it be easy to switch Ubuntu to Edubuntu - i mean no installation at all
(maybe just running a patch and changing sources)? Well my understanding
of Edubuntu is that it is basically Ubuntu with kid friendly icons and
applications, correct? if so can we easily switch ubuntu off and
edubuntu on and vice-versa without installing both in amachine? I would
want to know so i would know how to partition the hard drive... or
better yet get debian jr and edubutu sitting together.

but would it be a better idea if we can easily switch ubuntu/edubuntu
through gdm/kdm especially for family PCs or school PCs so adults and
children can share PCs with having to install both.


Thank you

Steve

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,

Post by Steve Torrefranca
Hi, its me again.
since you made it clear that it will take time for edubuntu to be
released and i will be buying my little angel's laptop next month, will
it be easy to switch Ubuntu to Edubuntu - i mean no installation at all
(maybe just running a patch and changing sources)? Well my understanding
of Edubuntu is that it is basically Ubuntu with kid friendly icons and
applications, correct? if so can we easily switch ubuntu off and
edubuntu on and vice-versa without installing both in amachine? I would
want to know so i would know how to partition the hard drive... or
better yet get debian jr and edubutu sitting together.
but would it be a better idea if we can easily switch ubuntu/edubuntu
through gdm/kdm especially for family PCs or school PCs so adults and
children can share PCs with having to install both.

the edubuntu CD itself will be targeted at classroom use (it will
install a ltsp server out of the box etc.) but ubuntu will have a
edubuntu-desktop package that will (like ubuntu-desktop) depend on all
apps we selected for the educational desktop. so my advise for home use
would be, install ubuntu at home and edubuntu-desktop on top. so you
will have the full set of edubuntu apps [1].

;)

ciao
oli

[1] http://edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection
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[Quim Gil]

Post by Oliver Grawert
the edubuntu CD itself will be targeted at classroom use (it will
install a ltsp server out of the box etc.)

Would it be crazy to ask in the installation process whether you want to
install a LTSP server to serve a whole classrom or just a thick client
in the current machine?

There may be many teachers/admins that for whatever reason don't want an
LTSP/thinclients setting in their classroom.

Quim

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,

Post by Quim Gil

Post by Oliver Grawert
the edubuntu CD itself will be targeted at classroom use (it will
install a ltsp server out of the box etc.)

Would it be crazy to ask in the installation process whether you want to
install a LTSP server to serve a whole classrom or just a thick client
in the current machine?
There may be many teachers/admins that for whatever reason don't want an
LTSP/thinclients setting in their classroom.

yes, there should be an option to avoid the ltsp installation, but the
default install (hitting enter for all questions in the installer)
should provide you with a working ltsp classroom environment including
moodle, schooltool, ltsp etc as we agreed at the summit....my target for
our first release is still to have a k12ltsp environment out of the box
installed in 30 min without to much interaction....if you want something
different you will have to interact with the installer...

for home use i still would rather suggest the edubuntu-desktop package
rather then the full CD

ciao
oli

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[Quim Gil]

Post by Oliver Grawert
yes, there should be an option to avoid the ltsp installation, but the
default install (hitting enter for all questions in the installer)
should provide you with a working ltsp classroom environment including

That's fine.

As an example, the specs in this tender for the Catalan Departmen of
Education define by default a thick-clients environment, being opened to
a thin-clients approach.

Of course we can adapt this for that project if we get it, I just wanted
to point that it may just happen that teachers and admins knowing what
they do could simply prefer a non-LTSP environment.

On the other hand, I may well imagine that the Edubuntu success in the
schools will be noticed by parents wanting to have it also at home....
picking a CD or downloading it and installing it at home. If Edubuntu is
as successful as we want, it may well happen that many people know about
Edubuntu without having heard of Ubuntu.

The question could be as simple as:

WHAT KIND OF COMPUTER IS THIS?

1. The teacher's computer, that will control the rest of computers
connected to it. (LTSP - default)

2. A stand-alone computer in a classroom or at home. (thick-client)

Quim

[Mauricio Hernandez]

sorry Quim :D

this was again my mistake and it is now sent properly...

I agree with the fact that LTSP is very suitable for many school labs
or instances alike.
Nevertheless, I would love to use the same EdUbuntu Live-Cd for school
workstations where a GUI installer (running only from X.Org) is not
preffered, but a command line installer is, and where you could
specify which packages (yes or no options) you need, based on the
local available hardware.
The bottom line is, if EdUbuntu can worked as both LTSP and local WS
installer, that'll rock and may become a real
"kick-butts-school-solution" (excuse my mapudungun :) ) , and so, be a
whole 1st school market reference.

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[John Ridge]

Post by Mauricio Hernandez
sorry Quim :D
this was again my mistake and it is now sent properly...

I agree with the fact that LTSP is very suitable for many school labs
or instances alike.
Nevertheless, I would love to use the same EdUbuntu Live-Cd for school
workstations where a GUI installer (running only from X.Org) is not
preffered, but a command line installer is, and where you could
specify which packages (yes or no options) you need, based on the
local available hardware.

Sounds fantastic, if you are familiar with the command line. Most
teachers (even good ones) are terrified of it.

Post by Mauricio Hernandez

The bottom line is, if EdUbuntu can worked as both LTSP and local WS
installer, that'll rock and may become a real
"kick-butts-school-solution" (excuse my mapudungun :) ) , and so, be a
whole 1st school market reference.

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Cordialmente,
Mauricio Hernandez Z.
"Hell is repeating someone else's mistakes" (JPS)

[Matt Zimmerman]

Post by Quim Gil
As an example, the specs in this tender for the Catalan Departmen of
Education define by default a thick-clients environment, being opened to
a thin-clients approach.
Of course we can adapt this for that project if we get it, I just wanted
to point that it may just happen that teachers and admins knowing what
they do could simply prefer a non-LTSP environment.

Changing the default is as easy as changing one configuration file on the
CD; it's controlled by a kernel command line parameter.

I would prefer not to add a new question to every install if this can be
avoided.

[Mauricio Hernandez]

Post by Matt Zimmerman

Post by Quim Gil
As an example, the specs in this tender for the Catalan Departmen of
Education define by default a thick-clients environment, being opened to
a thin-clients approach.
Of course we can adapt this for that project if we get it, I just wanted
to point that it may just happen that teachers and admins knowing what
they do could simply prefer a non-LTSP environment.

Changing the default is as easy as changing one configuration file on the
CD; it's controlled by a kernel command line parameter.
I would prefer not to add a new question to every install if this can be
avoided.

I agree with Matt.

The less questions, the better. Actually, when I talk to teachers in
Chile, I hardly ever mention Linux or FreeSoftware or OpenSource, or
anything. I just explain the solution the need. If someone asks me
directly about the technology being used on such solution, well,
that's a different story.

It's just like what it happens to mobile phones and people. Many
mobile phone users hardly know what OS the cell phone has, or if
there's an API for them to develop on it, etc. They just use the phone
and play with it. The more advanced one also transfer data to the PC.

[Andreas Schuldei]

Post by Quim Gil

Post by Oliver Grawert
the edubuntu CD itself will be targeted at classroom use (it will
install a ltsp server out of the box etc.)

Would it be crazy to ask in the installation process whether you want to
install a LTSP server to serve a whole classrom or just a thick client
in the current machine?
There may be many teachers/admins that for whatever reason don't want an
LTSP/thinclients setting in their classroom.

i think it would be bad to ask this. teachers tend to be ignorant
of the facts. "What is a Termina Server? and why would i want one,
anyway? perhaps it works better if i have more of them?"

the options would be to autodetect the network in a robust way or
to provide a sane preconfiguration. you should ask as little and
as easy questions as possible.

[Steve Torrefranca]

Post by Oliver Grawert
edubuntu-desktop package that will (like ubuntu-desktop) depend on all
apps we selected for the educational desktop. so my advise for home use

Great!

Thanks

steve

[john.ridge]

From: Quim Gil <qgil at interactors.coop>
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:14:19 +0200
To: Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com>
Cc: edubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: LTSP "out of the box"

Post by Oliver Grawert
yes, there should be an option to avoid the ltsp installation, but the
default install (hitting enter for all questions in the installer)
should provide you with a working ltsp classroom environment including

That's fine.
As an example, the specs in this tender for the Catalan Departmen of
Education define by default a thick-clients environment, being opened to
a thin-clients approach.
Of course we can adapt this for that project if we get it, I just wanted
to point that it may just happen that teachers and admins knowing what
they do could simply prefer a non-LTSP environment.
On the other hand, I may well imagine that the Edubuntu success in the
schools will be noticed by parents wanting to have it also at home....
picking a CD or downloading it and installing it at home. If Edubuntu is
as successful as we want, it may well happen that many people know about
Edubuntu without having heard of Ubuntu.
WHAT KIND OF COMPUTER IS THIS?
1. The teacher's computer, that will control the rest of computers
connected to it. (LTSP - default)

Minor point, but as a teacher, I would prefer the phrase to be "The central
computer" ....

2. A stand-alone computer in a classroom or at home. (thick-client)

There are points in favour of both approaches.

Thick client
The physics lab at my College has installed several new pcs. Given this, I
could persuade admin to install a thick client Edubuntu in the lab, but an
Edubuntu thin client approach is two hurdles for them to overcome, instead
of just one.
Plus, when I am using Edubuntu, I want to be able to use it/ prepare stuff
at home.

Thin client
The computers for the students at my friends primary school are in need of
replacement, but admin has a decent server. Obviously thin client.

I don't yet know The Answer.

John r

Quim
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